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02:47:58 <downeym> hey upul`
02:48:08 <upul`> hey downeym
03:04:55 <njero> hey downeymbot
03:05:46 <upul`> kick him downeym
03:05:55 <downeym> lol
03:06:02 <njero> heh
03:06:03 <downeym> who?
03:06:09 <downeym> njero? nah, too much work
03:06:10 <upul`> Echidna,
03:06:18 <downeym> why?
03:06:42 <upul`> because njero said downeymbot
03:07:00 <downeym> ...
03:07:13 <downeym> kick Echidna because member:njero said downeymbot?
03:07:22 <njero> it makes sense..
03:07:26 <njero> :D
03:07:29 <downeym> haha
03:07:38 <downeym> i will kick him tomorrow
03:07:49 <njero> hey, you guys care to give opinions on this: http://skitch.com/jeffrafter/n235e/patients-treatment
03:07:52 <OpenMRSBot> <http://ln-s.net/5-Xp> (at skitch.com)
03:08:22 <downeym> any context?
03:08:44 <njero> This is the treatment screen on for the touchscreen openmrs (mateme) system used in Neno
03:08:50 <downeym> overall i like the design, but I would make the (x) only appear on hover
03:08:58 <downeym> is distracting otherwise :)
03:09:06 <downeym> oh wait
03:09:07 <njero> good idea, except on a touchscreen, there is no hover :)
03:09:10 <downeym> yes
03:09:13 <downeym> :D
03:09:37 <njero> the X is for voiding
03:09:37 <downeym> tell me about the barcode
03:10:06 <njero> You can scan a pill bottle with a barcode on it (or a barcode chart at the pharmacists desk) and it will auto-dispense
03:10:44 <downeym> so i would scan the barcode on the screen?
03:10:49 <njero> basically the barcodes are drug_inventory_id-quantity... so 3455-30 for Paracetamol-30
03:10:57 <njero> you wouldn't
03:11:17 <njero> it is just there to indicate that this screen takes a barcode
03:11:22 <downeym> oh, i see
03:11:23 <njero> I didn't know if it was good
03:11:37 <downeym> maybe some words would be better
03:12:26 <downeym> something like "Scan Barcode to dispense"
03:12:38 <njero> YEah... it originally said that
03:12:39 <njero> :)
03:12:44 <njero> I went back and forth
03:12:46 <downeym> or maybe just a small barcode icon with the words
03:12:53 <downeym> IIII Scan barcode to dispense
03:12:58 <downeym> something like that ^^^ :)
03:13:03 <njero> these are all great suggestions, I appreciate it
03:13:10 <downeym> |||||| Scan barcode to dispense
03:13:31 <downeym> it would easily catch user's attention like the barcode, but would be smaller image and the words would make it 100% clear
03:13:34 <downeym> or 99% clear :D
03:13:40 <njero> heh
03:13:46 <downeym> i would also move the ( x ) to the right side since it must stay visible
03:14:02 <downeym> and maybe number the rows?
03:14:26 <njero> you don't think numbering would get confusing? There are a lot of numbers on this screen
03:14:47 <downeym> yeah i am debating that
03:14:59 <upul`> usually how large is the real screen?
03:15:05 <downeym> and perhaps the historical treatment is long
03:15:17 <njero> upul`: 800x600
03:15:29 <njero> it is approximately 10 inches
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03:15:51 <downeym> hi crazee
03:16:50 <downeym> njero: also i'd make sure the scroll bar is large enough for a finger :) but probably this is just a limitation of your model
03:17:07 <njero> downeym: yeah, that is just my dev firefox
03:17:16 <downeym> maybe not even a scroll bar but up and down arrows [ ^ ]
03:17:19 <njero> the real ones require a profile hack
03:17:23 <njero> right
03:17:31 <downeym> too small for scroll bar
03:19:00 <downeym> njero: the only reason i thought about the numbering is because it seems maybe easy to get lost in the historical treatments
03:19:23 <downeym> njero: and even more true if there is no easy-to-see idea of where you are in the list like a scroll bar affords
03:20:24 <downeym> otherwise ... i think the scale and shape and everything is great
03:20:38 <downeym> maybe give the buttons a shadow?
03:20:43 <downeym> or bevel
03:25:56 <crazee> hey downeym
03:26:04 <downeym> hi
03:28:36 * downeym wonders if crazee & njero are working together
03:28:59 <crazee> Instead of numbers for historical treatments it might be more useful to provide the date from treatment.
03:29:24 <downeym> agreed - perhaps in a smaller or different font
03:30:01 <njero> sorry, negotiating a settlement between a 4 and 5 year old
03:30:18 <downeym> ha
03:30:26 <downeym> is that possible?
03:30:37 <njero> downeym: the no shadow on the button is intentional... it is because of the screen
03:30:49 <njero> in general the buttons appear much more rounded
03:31:17 <njero> yeah, both dates and numbers are useful.. but there is just not much room
03:31:26 <downeym> njero: ok, as long as they are somewhat indicative of "button-ness" :)
03:31:34 <njero> yeah...
03:31:42 <njero> that comment has definitely been made before
03:31:44 <downeym> never enough room :)
03:31:48 <njero> but on the screen it is rough
03:32:34 <crazee> I wish njero and I got to work together more...
03:32:36 <downeym> could you try some A/B testing with number/date or not, on the screen itself with potential users?
03:32:46 <downeym> just some mock-ups
03:33:13 <njero> agreed
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04:51:37 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Tickets: Ticket #2127 (defect created): A bug in "Concept.equals" method <http://dev.openmrs.org/ticket/2127>
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05:23:41 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Forum: Re: Problem after deploying OpenMRS <http://forum.openmrs.org/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=561#p2133>
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05:55:41 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Forum: Re: HIV management with OpenMRS (Forms, Business User Training, <http://forum.openmrs.org/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=560#p2134>
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08:01:52 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Forum: Can't add Patients <http://forum.openmrs.org/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=574#p2135>
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10:10:05 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Forum: Re: Problem after deploying OpenMRS <http://forum.openmrs.org/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=561#p2136>
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12:06:30 <pascal`> hey bwolfe
12:09:14 <bwolfe> hi pascal`
12:09:54 <pascal`> up early these days bwolfe, I wonder why that could be ;)
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12:59:36 <downeym> hello, world
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13:19:49 <downeym> hi openmrs_web115
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13:39:27 <bwolfe> downeym: looks like you're not getting much love this morning
13:40:02 * downeym sighs
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13:42:42 <downeym> hi openmrs_web383
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13:46:19 <mrosas> hello
13:47:29 <pascal`> hi downeym
13:47:36 <pascal`> hi mrosas
13:47:38 <downeym> afternoon :)
13:49:49 <mrosas> got some doubts about form entry
13:50:02 <chopin> blasphemy!
13:50:44 <mrosas> when i got into add encounter, i've got to select patient, provider, location, enocunter date, encounter type, and form
13:50:53 <mrosas> by default i got a basic form to select
13:51:25 <mrosas> what is that? i mean, what is it useful for? cause when i add an encounter, then i add some observations about it, and that's all i need i think
13:51:38 <mrosas> i don't understand the uses of the form selection
13:52:04 * chopin points at bwolfe
13:53:00 <bwolfe> mrosas: forms are meant to look like paper forms
13:53:08 <bwolfe> mrosas: so formentry implements inputting data by forms
13:53:30 <bwolfe> mrosas: you /could/ always do Manage Encounter --> Add Encounter, then Add Observations over and over again
13:53:34 <bwolfe> but thats slow and not user friendly
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14:03:05 <mrosas> When adding new encounter and abservations from a patient, is there a way to avoid manage encounter --> add encounter, then add observations, by selecting patient and going directly to form entry?
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14:03:54 <bwolfe> mrosas: yep
14:04:13 <bwolfe> mrosas: using the Formentry Module, Html Form Entry Module, or the XForms Module
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14:04:46 <bwolfe> each of those lets you paint/design a form and the end user sees that easier way to fill out the form
14:05:05 <bwolfe> each of those modules has a wiki page that tells you how to use it to design forms
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14:05:27 <downeym> hi ajitlodhi
14:06:04 <mrosas> ok so i download one of them and should not use the "old" way any more, right?
14:06:08 <ajitlodhi> hi..
14:07:51 <bwolfe> mrosas: the "old" way is just meant as a manual way of updating encounters usually
14:08:36 <mrosas> ok cool, i'll try the new ones, thanks a lot
14:11:10 <bwolfe> mrosas: have you been using openmrs in production using Manage Encounters, or just went playing around with it on a dev box?
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14:14:49 <mrosas> just went playing for now
14:16:24 <mrosas> and it seemed a bit strange that way of adding new medical events, so i asked you about it
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14:19:43 <bwolfe> mrosas: ah, good. an excellent second step!
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14:20:18 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Tickets: Ticket #2121 (task closed): "Duplicate" function for form definitions failed <http://dev.openmrs.org/ticket/2121#comment:6>
14:20:19 <nribeka> asking bwolfe is always an excellent step :)
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14:23:53 <mrosas> yes nribeka, no doubt about it ;)
14:25:14 <bwolfe> hmm, I don't like where this is heading
14:25:29 <bwolfe> how about "asking in irc is always an excellent step :)" ?
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14:29:32 <chopin> bwolfe: you are receiving a phone call
14:29:37 <chopin> (first one in a while!)
14:31:21 <bwolfe> heh
14:31:49 <nribeka> bwolfe the man ... the legend :D
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14:40:09 * pascal` is hot : http://www.wunderground.com/global/stations/68816.html
14:40:15 <OpenMRSBot> <http://ln-s.net/5-iQ> (at www.wunderground.com)
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14:43:17 <upul`> me too
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14:44:42 <pascal`> you're 7 degrees cooler than me upul` :)
14:45:43 <nribeka> pascal`, it is hot there ...
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14:46:38 <upul`> 79% humidity
14:48:03 <pascal`> wow upul`, that's bad
14:50:42 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [12317]: integration of spring 3.0 <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/12317>
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15:15:08 <sunbiz> hey all
15:16:52 <sunbiz> does anybody know how to register a user in OpenMRS to a specified location ??
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15:17:17 <downeym> hi sanyam
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15:23:36 <nribeka> i don't think you can do that sunbiz
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15:25:36 <sunbiz> yea... I couldnt figure it out as well
15:25:48 <sunbiz> nribeka: we should have that... because Person has a location
15:26:24 <sunbiz> nribeka: so... how do u say that a user is a registration clerk at department A ??
15:27:22 <nribeka> i'm not so sure about this sunbiz, but ...
15:28:56 <nribeka> i thought we have that page to edit the user
15:29:33 <nribeka> yeah, it's in 1.5
15:29:38 <nribeka> but not in 1.6 sunbiz
15:30:03 <nribeka> probably because the person/user/patient refactoring is not done yet
15:31:07 <nribeka> oops ... sorry
15:31:29 <nribeka> it's not a location. it's person attributes
15:31:42 <sunbiz> yes... person attributes
15:31:49 <sunbiz> no location
15:33:16 <nribeka> probably you need to bring this to the dev list? i'm pretty sure there must be a reason behind this :)
15:33:43 <sunbiz> yea...
15:33:58 <sunbiz> nribeka: do u also know how a patient can view only their own records
15:34:02 <sunbiz> and not of other patients
15:34:20 <sunbiz> i.e. user to record mapping ??
15:35:04 <nribeka> i think the way it is right now is per object privilege sunbiz
15:35:29 <nribeka> or i might not aware of such feature if it's exists
15:35:35 <sunbiz> hhmmm.. so that means its not really possible ATM
15:35:45 <nribeka> so, a person can view obs or patient or encounter
15:35:59 <nribeka> not obs with certain id or patient with certain id
15:36:05 <sunbiz> yea... but not selected ids
15:36:06 <nribeka> it's an interesting feature actually
15:36:56 <sunbiz> a good GSoC project ???
15:37:08 <nribeka> haha ... :)
15:37:08 <sunbiz> or too complex for someone new ??
15:37:21 <nribeka> hm not necessary complext :)
15:37:27 <nribeka> complex
15:37:43 <nribeka> kinda actually lol
15:39:05 <sunbiz> yea... nevermind... I'll fire an email to the dev list
15:39:21 <nribeka> try it sunbiz. it
15:40:18 <sunbiz> and probably have one of my team start on it
15:40:32 <nribeka> ah nice ...
15:41:09 <nribeka> probably new service with new type of privileges and probably some custom patient viewing page :)
15:44:31 <sunbiz> yea
15:45:57 <nribeka> cool
15:54:47 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Tickets: Ticket #1977 (defect closed): Patient Age Should stop increasing when the patient dies <http://dev.openmrs.org/ticket/1977#comment:11> || OpenMRS Tickets: Ticket #2128 (task created): PersonName.getFullName() should use the configured nameLayout <http://dev.openmrs.org/ticket/2128>
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16:10:08 * chopin just saw a neat phpMyAdmin error: "MySQL has gone away"
16:24:51 <njero> chopin: thats a common error :)
16:25:27 <njero> I think it is mysql specific not phpMyAdmin specific
16:25:38 <njero> but, yeah it is one of my favorites too
16:27:32 <downeym> *poof*
16:31:39 <chopin> njero: yeah, super-informative
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17:15:42 * downeym is living in the past
17:22:21 <pascal`> that's right downeym, where I live it's 7:22pm :)
17:22:35 <downeym> haha, maybe that's my problem
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17:22:39 <downeym> hi Mkop1
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17:27:37 <Mkop1> wazzup mike
17:27:45 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Tickets: Ticket #2130 (enhancement created): Reprocess all matching errors <http://dev.openmrs.org/ticket/2130> || OpenMRS Tickets: Ticket #2129 (enhancement created): ID Cards module: Reprint Id Cards form needs improved error handling, patient selection <http://dev.openmrs.org/ticket/2129> || OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [12318]: logmanager: added "Export XML" option to logviewer <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/12318>
17:27:50 <Mkop1> what's this about a radio show?
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17:59:01 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [12320]: ncd: updated the data source report Velocity template to tolerate null … <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/12320> || OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [12319]: ncd: Fix for the Provider not returning null if no sending location was … <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/12319>
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18:04:49 <mrosas> hello hello
18:07:48 <chopin> anyone joining the Code Review in progress, check the meeting agenda / minutes for call in information
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18:16:43 <pascal`> hi mrosas
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18:31:07 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Tickets: Ticket #2131 (task created): I managed to start OpenMRS without the logic module running <http://dev.openmrs.org/ticket/2131>
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18:32:05 <downeym> hi openmrs_web199
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18:32:21 <mrosas> i'm having trouble with XForms
18:32:40 <mrosas> i modify a form added before with the XForm Designer
18:33:14 <mrosas> but when i try to add an encounter of a patient fro the XForm tab
18:33:16 <mrosas> i select that form and click add
18:33:43 <mrosas> but it show
18:34:07 <mrosas> no form layout found
18:34:18 <mrosas> and then save it ok
18:34:26 <mrosas> what is that i'm doing wrong?
18:35:09 <mrosas> please design the form and save it first
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20:36:28 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [12322]: ncd: Removing the rest of the warnings. <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/12322> || OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [12321]: ncd: Fixes for errors stemming from NlpDiscreteAnalyzer, … <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/12321>
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21:07:19 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Tickets: Ticket #2132 (task created): Fix the Unit Tests to use 'flushSession' <http://dev.openmrs.org/ticket/2132>
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21:09:24 <downeym> hi yuvrajtomar1
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21:11:52 <yuvrajtomar1> hi downeym
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22:11:25 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Forum: Re: Problem after deploying OpenMRS <http://forum.openmrs.org/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=561#p2138> || OpenMRS Forum: Re: HIV management with OpenMRS (Forms, Business User Training, <http://forum.openmrs.org/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=560#p2137>
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23:47:31 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [12323]: visitscheduler: fixing overquota form validation. <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/12323>
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