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03:05:19 <upul`> hey downeym
03:05:25 <downeym> hey upul1
03:05:31 <downeym> err upul`
03:05:48 <upul`> you can tab
03:06:13 <downeym> tried to and hit the 1 instead of tab :)
03:06:44 <upul`> i keep the nick upul for special occassions :-)
03:06:50 <downeym> haha
03:06:52 <downeym> good
03:06:57 <upul`> i also have upu|
03:06:58 <downeym> hey any news on job?
03:07:14 <upul`> it's going as usual
03:07:42 <downeym> no one else disappeared :)
03:08:25 <upul`> nope it's the head office team
03:08:36 <downeym> good
03:09:18 <upul`> i'm going through some c sharp
03:09:57 <downeym> i think i'm finished for the night
03:16:40 <andrewaclt> I thought downeym was a bot
03:16:46 <downeym> lol
03:16:56 <downeym> sometimes i feel like one
03:16:58 <andrewaclt> based on the fact you say hi everytime I join and nothing else
03:17:07 <downeym> should only happen once :)
03:17:29 <upul`> raise a ticket
03:18:13 <downeym> heh
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04:57:49 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Tickets: Ticket #2101 (enhancement closed): Cleanup References to Core vs Required Modules <>
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09:46:06 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [12287]: logmanager: added error/info messages for logger and appender updates <>
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10:38:06 <pascal`> eath
10:38:14 <pascal`> er, earthquake in taiwan =\
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11:22:12 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [12288]: logmanager: logger add form implemented as well as proxying of logger … <>
12:02:12 <pascal`> OpenMRSBot should post tweets here
12:02:12 <OpenMRSBot> pascal`: Error: "should" is not a valid command.
12:02:19 <pascal`> OpenMRSBot, shutup
12:02:19 <OpenMRSBot> pascal`: Error: "shutup" is not a valid command.
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12:58:18 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [12289]: logmanager: added full editing of root logger <> || OpenMRS Tickets: Ticket #2121 (task created): "Duplicate" function for form definitions failed <>
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13:10:05 <chopin> ahhhh, morning
13:13:17 <pascal`> hi chopin
13:14:39 <chopin> hi pascal`
13:15:43 <chopin> pascal`: you're in south africa?
13:16:17 <pascal`> chopin, yup
13:16:31 <chopin> nifty ... looking forward to visiting
13:16:42 <chopin> oO Capte Town :-)
13:16:47 <chopin> bleh s/te/e
13:17:06 <pascal`> when are you coming?
13:17:33 <chopin> not sure ... i assume kenya in september. that's all i know.
13:17:46 <chopin> the winds of change will carry me
13:18:41 <pascal`> kenya isn't in south africa
13:19:02 <chopin> pascal`: yeah, i know heheh
13:19:08 <pascal`> (=
13:19:16 <chopin> pascal`: I'm tightly coupled with AMPATH right now
13:19:28 <chopin> so, I assume that's my first across-the-pond trip
13:19:37 <pascal`> cool
13:19:45 <chopin> but i hear there's a conference in cape town on a regular basis?
13:19:50 <pascal`> well maybe you'll get to come to the implementers meeting this year
13:19:55 <pascal`> yeah, anually
13:20:02 <chopin> ah, k ... pretty sure that's on my docket
13:20:11 <chopin> NEAT
13:20:16 <chopin> i hear good things about cape town
13:21:04 <pascal`> it's great:
13:21:08 <OpenMRSBot> <$q_> (at
13:21:18 <chopin> hhhwow
13:22:45 <pascal`> and for exc
13:23:19 <pascal`> *and for excruciating detail:
13:23:20 <OpenMRSBot> <> (at
13:27:53 <chopin> haha, i found a spot where a bus is appearing from a parallel universe
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13:28:30 <chopin> hi downeym
13:28:33 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Forum: Re: Is "This use of build file no longer requried"? <>
13:28:36 <downeym> hi chop
13:29:04 <pascal`> hey downeym
13:29:20 <downeym> good morning all
13:29:23 <downeym> :)
13:29:32 <downeym> or good afternoon or evening, whatever the case may be
13:30:05 * downeym reminds everyone about the developer meeting in 90 minutes
13:30:28 <chopin> i'm captivated by this picture
13:30:51 <downeym> what picture?
13:31:01 <chopin>
13:31:02 <OpenMRSBot> <> (at
13:31:36 <pascal`> chopin, if you search for only "large" pictures at that first link I posted, there are some nice aerial shots
13:31:43 <downeym> nice!
13:32:02 <downeym> chopin you will have to compare it in september
13:32:33 <chopin> ah!
13:32:46 * chopin needs to slim down so he can enjoy the plane rides
13:33:30 <downeym> yeah about 20 some hours to cape town from here, i think
13:33:34 <pascal`> downeym, have you considered getting OpenMRSBot to post OpenMRS tweets here?
13:33:46 <downeym> pascal`: it's on my list :)
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13:33:54 <downeym> hi openmrs_web717
13:34:02 <pascal`> ok cool downeym
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13:34:22 * downeym needs a white board
13:34:39 * chopin points at downeym's mini whiteboard outside his cubicle
13:34:48 <downeym> haha
13:35:15 <downeym> that is maybe like 200 square cm
13:35:27 <downeym> space for maybe 1 note
13:35:43 <pascal`> wow, metric measurements, I'm impressed
13:35:49 <downeym> :)
13:35:55 <downeym> i need like 2 sq m at least
13:36:22 <downeym> pascal`: too hard to communicate to the world in us measurements
13:38:06 <pascal`> *imperial measurements
13:38:40 * chopin restarts trillian ... brb
13:38:40 <pascal`> downeym, get post-its, and stick them to chopin
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13:38:51 <downeym> hmm, perhaps
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13:40:44 <downeym> hi delltechie
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13:41:19 <delltechie> hi
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13:50:29 <pascal`> hi delltechie
13:50:32 <pascal`> hi jmiranda
13:50:39 <delltechie> hi pascal`
13:50:43 <jmiranda> hola pascal`
13:51:03 <chopin> hi jmiranda
13:51:07 <chopin> hi delltechie
13:51:11 <chopin> :-D
13:51:18 <delltechie> hi chopin
13:51:26 <jmiranda> hey chopin
13:52:04 <Echidna> reminds me of this article i read
13:52:11 <Echidna> on joelonsoftware i think
13:52:24 <downeym> what reminds you?
13:52:27 <Echidna> about how communication grows exponentially with every new member of a group
13:55:04 <downeym> very true
13:56:00 <pascal`> hi Echidna
13:56:10 <pascal`> ^_^
13:58:24 <danielf> hi EchidnaBot
13:59:01 <chopin> "hello bruce"
13:59:09 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Forum: External Application and org.openmrs.web.OpenmrsFilter <>
14:00:01 * downeym wonders if the jembi team may have time next thursday to introduce their project to everyone
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14:14:33 <danielf> downeym, next thursday sounds fine, would you want to do it before or after the dev call
14:14:55 <downeym> during :)
14:15:01 <danielf> oh, even better
14:15:03 <danielf> :)
14:15:35 <danielf> unfortuantely carl and i won't be able to make the dev call today, but pascal` will b in attendance
14:15:49 <danielf> so next thursday sounds like a good plan
14:16:38 <danielf> w4yne, are you up for the dev call next thursday - starts at 5pm?
14:17:13 <w4yne> sounds good
14:17:30 <downeym> wonderful
14:18:07 <w4yne> ryan says he's up for it
14:19:36 <danielf> alrighty (=
14:20:01 <danielf> its a date then
14:21:15 <downeym> let's be sure to mention it on the call today as a preview of next week
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14:30:36 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [12290]: created DrugOrderDTO by Krishnaja <>
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15:08:44 <zeshan> I'm on but listening in from my other meeting.
15:12:55 <downeym> !ticket 1725
15:12:55 <OpenMRSBot> downeym: Ticket #1725:
15:13:48 <downeym> !ticket 2103
15:13:48 <OpenMRSBot> downeym: Ticket #2103:
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15:24:18 <downeym> hi djazayeri
15:24:26 <Mkop> hi djazayeri
15:24:32 <Mkop> who is talking right now?
15:24:34 <djazayeri> hi Mkop
15:24:36 <djazayeri> that's paul talking
15:24:39 <Mkop> oh
15:26:32 <Mkop> djazayeri: I think that's an awesome idea.
15:27:24 <Mkop> (local mentors)
15:28:59 <chopin> zeshan: can you update on oasys?
15:29:13 <zeshan> yes, one sec.
15:34:44 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [12291]: logmanager: added support for TTCC, HTML and XML layouts <>
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15:37:50 <downeym> hi Zabil
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15:38:18 <downeym> hi jdarnell
15:38:41 <jdarnell> Hi downeym
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15:55:54 <jmiranda> downeym, i've grown to love jira ... but if we started to explore other tools (e.g. bugzilla), i think we should also look into something like launchpad
16:00:49 <jmiranda> downeym, we got a recommendation from meonkeys (from mifos) about using JIRA studio (
16:01:43 <jmiranda> which integrates all of the atlassian products
16:02:37 <jmiranda> downeym, i think we'd want to host this on our own and it sounded like mifos was able to get an open source license
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16:06:30 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [12292]: logmanager: fixed root edit bug and use of layouts with memory appenders <>
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16:10:43 <chopin> jmiranda: finishing the email to our latest contributer? (/me points at response to #1)
16:11:56 <jmiranda> downeym, i think the information architecture issue is huge ... we didn't design it very well at the beginning so we now have a lot of crap on the wiki
16:12:19 <jmiranda> i think michelle murrain wanted to help with that
16:12:35 <jmiranda> but not sure how far she got
16:12:44 <jmiranda> i'd like to be involved, if i can be helpful
16:13:12 <jmiranda> chopin, not sure what you mean by that?
16:13:38 <chopin> jmiranda: "Yes. In one way or another, you can actu"
16:14:05 <jmiranda> oooh
16:14:15 <jmiranda> chopin, thanks :)
16:14:49 <jmiranda> i have a very short attention span ... my emails are written half of a sentence at a time
16:15:27 <jmiranda> no joke ... i only send "complete" emails when i spend the time to go back and review it before sending :)
16:16:13 <chopin> jmiranda: yeh, me too ... i usually re-read twice.
16:16:49 <chopin> (same with every paragraph of reading for leisure ... can't get through a newspaper to save my life)
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16:17:40 <Zabil> jmiranda, downeym don't know how this will help, but we at thoughtworks would like to help out if you look for a planning, dev, ticket management tool space in the form of and it is free for open source projects
16:17:43 <OpenMRSBot> <$v4> (at
16:20:29 <jmiranda> Zabil, oh yeah
16:20:33 <jmiranda> Zabil, thanks
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16:21:52 <jmiranda> Zabil, i evaluated mingle while working with mifos on sharing best practices for Agile planning
16:23:05 <jmiranda> downeym, i liked mingle as well ... simple UI like trac, but with way more features and it's Agile out-of-the-box
16:23:27 <Zabil> jmiranda we have been using mingle for a while in other projects at thoughtworks it is helped us a lot.
16:23:54 <jmiranda> Zabil, does it have a plug-in architecture?
16:25:46 <Zabil> jmiranda. yes. it has plugin arch and there is an api you can extend on.
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16:29:14 <jmiranda> downeym, and one extension to the "persona" concept
16:29:42 <jmiranda> is to also take a "facility profile" look at openmrs
16:30:24 <jmiranda> e.g. if you are a small clinic that spends most of your time dealing with disease X, then your instance of openmrs might look like this
16:31:39 <jmiranda> downeym, ... or if you are a hospital that houses 4 wards (peds, TB, etc) / 100 beds then you might want to configure openmrs this way
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16:31:57 <jmiranda> hamish brought this up a few months ago and i think it's a brilliant idea
16:34:41 <chopin> jmiranda: ... and "here's the known implementers that can help"
16:35:09 <jmiranda> chopin, yes!
16:36:53 <jmiranda> chopin, we should be able to ship distributions that have a pre-canned concept dictionary and logic rules / reports that use that concept dictionary
16:36:53 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [12293]: logmanager: changed hibernate SQL button to toggle depending on current … <>
16:40:13 <jmiranda> downeym, re: colors ... let's swap the color of Users and Decision-Makers
16:40:15 <jmiranda> "In human color psychology, purple is also associated with royalty and nobility (stemming from classical antiquity when Tyrian Purple was only affordable to the elites)."
16:40:32 <jmiranda> in my mind, our Users are our royalty and nobility
16:41:02 <downeym> yes i struggled with that
16:41:21 <jmiranda> and swap the colors (Developers, Implementers) ... our Implementers are Gold :)
16:41:26 <downeym> haha
16:41:33 <downeym> remember to look from the outside in, not the inside out
16:42:01 <jmiranda> downeym, good start with this proposal
16:42:44 <downeym> sorry that i've missed most of this discussion here, will be scrolling back and re-reading
16:43:55 <jmiranda> downeym, no worries - i was just making comments here while you were talking so i didn't interrupt your flow
16:50:04 <pascal`> woah, missed all this tody
16:50:06 <pascal`> today
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17:12:41 <openmrs_web175> Hello.
17:13:12 <openmrs_web175> just wondering if there are any translations already done for openmrs?
17:13:45 <jmiranda> openmrs_web175, french, spanish
17:15:11 <openmrs_web175> i was looking at the translations wiki page but it didnt say anything about which ones were already done...
17:15:15 <jmiranda> openmrs_web175, not sure how good the translations are, but Partners In Health has very high standards for the French used in our paper forms used in Rwanda
17:15:36 <openmrs_web175> those 2 are included in the openmrs install already?
17:15:40 <jmiranda> openmrs_web175, check out the demo
17:15:41 <jmiranda>
17:15:59 <jmiranda> looks like English US and UK, Spanish, Portuguese, and French
17:16:08 <jmiranda> and Italian
17:16:44 <openmrs_web175> ahh its on the bottom!!
17:16:46 <jmiranda> i'd have to look at the code to see how complete those are
17:17:08 <jmiranda> openmrs_web175, are you looking for a specific language/locale?
17:24:26 <openmrs_web175> french
17:24:38 <openmrs_web175> sorry for wait
17:24:54 <openmrs_web175> if anything we'll addon to it
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17:41:03 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Tickets: Ticket #2122 (defect created): Some messages received cause an ArrayIndexOutOfBoundsException <>
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18:16:36 <jmiranda> downeym, just found this
18:16:38 <jmiranda> pretty interesting
18:16:42 <jmiranda>
18:16:46 <OpenMRSBot> <$yX> (at
18:17:22 <jmiranda> downeym, could be a good model / example for what you're doing
18:17:41 <jmiranda> check out the actual pdf linked from that site
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18:17:43 <downeym> jmiranda: Thanks for finding that ... believe it or not that very BBC redesign is what got me to do an HCI grad program several years back :)
18:17:56 <downeym> I had forgotten about it, looking forward to re-read it
18:17:58 <jmiranda> downeym, interesting
18:19:15 <jmiranda> downeym, what about the redesign piqued your interest?
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18:21:21 <Mkop> it's been long in coming. last year after I didn't get accepted to gsoc I thought about doing a documentation overhaul.
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18:36:44 <chopin> can anyone find the video that bwolfe made demonstrating FormEntry / InfoPath?
18:36:48 * chopin is looking everywhar
18:37:07 <Mkop> !videos
18:37:07 <OpenMRSBot> Mkop: "videos" ---
18:37:15 <Mkop> chopin: ^^ is it there?
18:37:34 <chopin> ah, nvm
18:37:48 <chopin> Mkop: thanks! um ...
18:38:10 <chopin> Mkop: it's this one: v
18:38:11 <chopin>
18:38:41 <chopin> not labeled as i had expected
18:39:23 <chopin> ah, Mkop: it is in the list
18:39:30 <chopin> just ... not called "formentry demo" ;-)
18:43:09 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Tickets: Ticket #2123 (defect created): The Data Source Report doesn't include zero-occurrence app/fac/loc combinations <> || OpenMRS Tickets: Ticket #2122 (defect closed): Some messages received cause an ArrayIndexOutOfBoundsException <> || OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [12296]: ncd: #2122 fixed Provider.getSendingLocation(String) to not generate the … <> || OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [12295]: in patient matching module, fixed class where use of ReaderProvider wasn't … <> || OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [12294]: in patientmatching module, changed ReaderProvider class to be a singleton. … <>
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19:28:36 <downeym> Overheard from nribeka "I don't think we code anything"
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19:47:19 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Tickets: Ticket #2125 (defect created): The Data Source Report doesn't handle the location column correctly <> || OpenMRS Tickets: Ticket #2124 (task created): The ncd_processed_message table has too many rows. <> || OpenMRS Tickets: Ticket #1725 (task closed): Adding Deactivate/Reactivate or Retire/Unretire Options in User Form <> || OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [12297]: Fixes #1725: Adding Deactivate/Reactivate or Retire/Unretire Options in … <>
19:49:55 <Mkop> downeym: what does that mean?
19:50:03 <downeym> Mkop: no clue :)
19:50:12 <Mkop> nribeka: ^^
19:51:30 <nribeka> i was just saying, i don't think we code the cache. well Jeremy just show me a cache-ing code in the AdminService :)
19:53:42 <downeym> nribeka: that's better :)
20:03:44 <Mkop> jeremy = chopin?
20:04:01 <Mkop> speaking of which, Chopin's 200th birthday was this past week
20:04:35 <Mkop> ok, I'm heading off
20:04:38 <Mkop> going home for spring break
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