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00:00:03 <Mkop2> nribeka:
00:00:20 <Mkop2> you came in the middle
00:00:50 <nribeka> when this happen andrewaclt / Mkop2?
00:00:55 <andrewaclt>
00:00:59 <andrewaclt> When I try and start it for the first time
00:01:01 <andrewaclt> 1.4.x
00:01:18 <andrewaclt> It deploys but doesn't start
00:01:33 <nribeka> *mysqlpassword* --> your mysql password?
00:01:43 <andrewaclt> In the real file it's the correct password.
00:01:46 <nribeka> you're using mac?
00:01:49 <andrewaclt> yes
00:02:52 <nribeka> did you follow the mac guide?
00:02:59 <andrewaclt> ?
00:03:04 <andrewaclt> I did not know there was a mac guide
00:03:07 <nribeka>
00:03:14 <OpenMRSBot> <$u> (at
00:03:53 <nribeka> or you follow other guide?
00:04:07 <andrewaclt>
00:04:08 <OpenMRSBot> <> (at
00:05:01 <andrewaclt> Everything works with the trunk wizard, 1.4 I have issues with :/
00:06:25 <nribeka> this one is 1.4?
00:06:33 <andrewaclt> Yes.
00:06:41 <nribeka> could you post another part of the stack trace
00:06:58 <nribeka> i think there's another part of the stack trace
00:07:17 <andrewaclt> Well, sure I'll have to restart as I crashed tomcat
00:07:40 <nribeka> haha ...
00:07:45 <nribeka> brb in a few mins
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00:07:50 <andrewaclt> k me too
00:08:24 <Mkop2> k me too
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00:14:15 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [7177]: mdrtb. more drug timeline improved. <>
00:14:26 <nribeka> back
00:14:49 <nribeka> andrewaclt: post the stack trace again :)
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00:18:12 * bwolfe reads what he missed
00:18:32 <bwolfe> trackpoints + blue scroll button on thinkpads FTW
00:18:44 <bwolfe> I've been with openmrs for 3.5 years now
00:19:12 <bwolfe> and I code at 1920x1080 on a 47" lcd tv :-D
00:20:53 <nribeka> i code at 15inch sony vaio + 17inch dell
00:20:55 <nribeka> hahaha
00:20:56 <nribeka> :D
00:21:19 <nribeka> bwolfe, get ready to cry to hear the bad news
00:21:22 <nribeka> haha ...
00:22:06 <bwolfe> andrewaclt: did you get the install to work eventually ?
00:22:10 <bwolfe> nribeka: uh oh, what ?
00:22:30 <nribeka> all inheritance share primary keys
00:22:40 <nribeka> muhahaha cry bwolfe cry ...
00:22:46 <nribeka> metal gear solid 4
00:24:05 <bwolfe> hmm, I could have sworn you could do it differently
00:24:56 <andrewaclt> bwolfe, nribeka no I didn't so brb
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00:29:53 <nribeka> hm i sure hope i didn't missed it bwolfe
00:30:00 <nribeka> start google - ing again
00:35:09 <andrewaclt>
00:36:23 <nribeka> this is what causing it i think
00:36:24 <nribeka> Unknown column 'globalprop0_.description' in 'field list'
00:36:51 <nribeka> bwolfe, any idea why this is happening?
00:37:02 <andrewaclt> maybe I'm using the wrong .sql file to build the db initially?
00:38:42 <bwolfe> yeah, probably
00:38:52 <bwolfe> andrewaclt: run 1.4's update-to-latest....sql file
00:40:50 <andrewaclt> you run that after 1.4.0-createdb-from-scratch-with-demo-data.sql?
00:41:33 <bwolfe> yeah
00:41:54 <andrewaclt> okay that was it
00:43:10 <andrewaclt> Thanks for all the help with all my silly issues.
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00:48:47 <andrewaclt> What's the jUnit coverage policy? Does openmrs try to get 100% function coverage? line coverage? something else?
00:50:40 <bwolfe> !testing
00:50:40 <OpenMRSBot> bwolfe: "testing" ---
00:50:49 <bwolfe> andrewaclt: we're shooting for 1 test per method at this point
00:51:13 <andrewaclt> Okay, the wiki is confusing
00:51:19 <andrewaclt> I can never find these pages.
00:51:20 <bwolfe> also see for our nightly unit test coverage
00:53:14 <Mkop2> bwolfe: is there some kind of complete index page for the wiki? I (and apparently others as well) keep discovering new pages that weren't linked to from anywhere obvious
00:53:45 <bwolfe> Mkop2: might be in the "Special pages' section
00:53:51 <bwolfe> I always suggest searching
00:54:03 <bwolfe> either with the wiki search or a google search
00:54:03 <andrewaclt>
01:00:10 <Mkop2> that should be another project for someone to do, to make a nice index for the wiki
01:00:20 <andrewaclt> ++:
01:00:24 <andrewaclt> err ++;
01:00:38 <bwolfe> the sad thing is that we have done that
01:00:54 <bwolfe> but we're waiting on a confluence server to be finished setting up
01:01:06 <bwolfe> and it feels like there is one thing after another that keeps delaying it
01:04:25 <bwolfe> andrewaclt: you forgot my "e" :-/
01:04:44 <andrewaclt> eh?
01:04:47 <andrewaclt> oh
01:04:49 <andrewaclt> I know
01:04:51 <andrewaclt> let me change that
01:05:05 <andrewaclt> checking your refer logs eh?
01:05:06 <andrewaclt> :)
01:05:43 <andrewaclt> fixed.
01:06:03 <bwolfe> no, I have an "openmrs" google alert and just got the email. apparently your blog was trolled already. :-)
01:06:40 <andrewaclt> ah heh
01:07:55 <Mkop2> huh? what just happened?
01:08:11 <Mkop2> what's confluence?
01:08:55 <andrewaclt>
01:08:57 <OpenMRSBot> <> (at
01:09:04 <andrewaclt> from the same people that make clover
01:09:08 <andrewaclt> apparently.
01:20:42 <andrewaclt> Xavier better win or my bracket is busted.
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02:07:40 <andrewaclt> hi
02:09:04 <Mkop2> wb
02:09:35 <andrewaclt> danke
02:11:19 <Mkop2> Bitte schön
02:16:34 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Tickets: Ticket #1351 (enhancement created): Add obsdatetime column for each concept column <> || OpenMRS Tickets: Ticket #1350 (defect closed): Install Wizard Fails <> || OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [7178]: Applied patch to fix issue with initial setup that was causing a missing … <>
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02:36:04 <Mkop2> welcome, diegoalvarez and ajitlodhi
02:40:09 <diegoalvarez> hi
02:40:13 <diegoalvarez> tks
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02:48:39 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [7180]: formdataexport: minor commit to ignore 'dist' directory <> || OpenMRS Tickets: Ticket #1355 (enhancement closed): Upgrade formdataexport module to OpenMRS API v1.4.0 <> || OpenMRS Tickets: Ticket #1351 (enhancement closed): Add obsdatetime column for each concept column <> || OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [7179]: formdataexport: * Add obsdatetime column for all concepts in form - … <> || OpenMRS Tickets: Ticket #1355 (enhancement created): Upgrade formdataexport module to OpenMRS API v1.4.0 <> || OpenMRS Tickets: Ticket #1354 (enhancement created): Allow user to select which columns to export within form data export <> || OpenMRS Tickets: Ticket #1353 (enhancement created): Allow user to select a cohort of patients within the form data export <> || OpenMRS Tickets: Ticket #1352 (enhancement created): Allow user to save their form data export as a data set definition <>
02:53:22 <Mkop2> !ticket 1351
02:53:22 <OpenMRSBot> Mkop2: Ticket #1351:
02:54:48 <Mkop2> bwolfe: is there any way to make Trac remember me so I don't have to log in each time?
02:54:59 <Mkop2> also, what time zone are things displayed in? GMT, it seems?
02:58:52 <upul> Mkop2: there's a ticket for trac forgetting credentials
02:59:09 <upul>
03:06:57 <bwolfe> yeah, its weird
03:07:14 <bwolfe> I have to reauth whenever I switch internet connections
03:07:53 <bwolfe> I'm off for the night
03:15:27 <Mkop2> seeya ben
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04:24:49 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Tickets: Ticket #1356 (enhancement created): Allow user to choose to exclude columns that contain no data (within formdataexport module) <>
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04:42:06 <Mkop2> !seen docpaul
04:42:06 <OpenMRSBot> Mkop2: docpaul was last seen in #openmrs 6 days, 23 hours, 31 minutes, and 28 seconds ago: <docpaul> you're @ upenn?
04:49:08 <nribeka> !nribeka
04:49:08 <OpenMRSBot> nribeka: Error: "nribeka" is not a valid command.
04:49:23 <nribeka> !learn nribeka as Nyoman
04:49:23 <OpenMRSBot> nribeka: The operation succeeded.
04:49:51 <upul> !nribeka
04:49:51 <OpenMRSBot> upul: "nribeka" --- Nyoman
04:51:19 <Mkop2> nribeka: do you know, how far is pittsburgh from philly? 6 hrs or so/
04:52:45 <nribeka> something like that Mkop2
04:52:47 <nribeka> :)
04:53:00 <nribeka> why? are you planning to visit me with baseball gun bats?
04:53:01 <nribeka> lol
04:53:11 <Mkop2> !baseballgunbat
04:53:11 <OpenMRSBot> Mkop2: "baseballgunbat" --- bwolfe's preferred debugging tool
04:53:15 <nribeka> hellow upul :)
04:53:28 <upul> hi nribeka
04:53:40 <upul> nribeka: how was the festival?
04:53:46 <Mkop2> so I guess docpaul doesn't hang out here too much
04:53:59 <nribeka> it went well ;)
04:54:04 <Mkop2> I guess it was fortuitous that he happened to be hanging out in #gsoc and dragged me over here a week ago
04:54:17 <Mkop2> I'm looking at papers he's written, and he has some cool stuff
04:57:06 <nribeka> how's everything upul?
04:57:10 <nribeka> docpaul is very busy
04:57:17 <nribeka> :D
04:57:36 <upul> nribeka: going well :-)
04:57:52 <upul> nribeka: how about you?
05:01:37 <nribeka> a bit busy
05:01:56 <nribeka> got a queue of stuffs to do
05:01:58 <nribeka> :D
05:02:05 <nribeka> are you working now upul?
05:02:22 <upul> nribeka: you're going to apply soc this time?
05:03:17 <nribeka> no upul
05:03:27 <upul> nribeka: finished studies?
05:03:40 <nribeka> graduating this april and i think it's going to be difficult to work on the authorization stuff
05:04:47 <upul> nribeka: are there special permission to get
05:05:10 <Mkop2> I think you could only do soc if you're gonna be in grad school in the fall
05:05:25 <upul> i see
05:06:43 <nribeka> yes
05:06:45 <nribeka> that's true
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05:28:36 <pv78> hi all
05:29:15 <nribeka> hi pv78
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05:29:35 <jaffoneh> Hello
05:29:56 <nribeka> halow jaffoneh
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05:30:06 <pv78> hi i am new with openmrs. i am working with helooworld module i am getting problem that it is not saving data to db
05:30:12 <nribeka> pv78 + jaffoneh: are you two here for gsoc?
05:30:17 <jaffoneh> I'm here for gsoc
05:30:23 <pv78> yeh
05:30:44 <jaffoneh> I have two questions actually
05:30:57 <nribeka> pv78: do you found any errors in the tomcat log?
05:31:07 <nribeka> yes shout ahead jaffoneh
05:31:13 <jaffoneh> After finishing the application do I just send it to you by email or is there another way to submit the application ?
05:31:47 <nribeka> the application i think should go through google web soc 2009 interface
05:31:51 <pv78> no error in log..... i need help how to create onSubmit()
05:32:37 <nribeka> could you paste bin what's in the controller pv78?
05:32:52 <nribeka> i will try to help out
05:33:07 <nribeka> if not, we also have upul and r0bby and Mkop2 here :D
05:33:10 <nribeka> right guys?
05:33:44 <Mkop2> as if I know anything.....
05:34:18 <nribeka> you're the infamous Mkop2 :)
05:34:20 <Mkop2> pv78: you discussed this with ben before. What was your conclusion then?
05:34:25 <Mkop2> oh, am i infamous already?
05:34:37 <pv78> i have pasted controoler
05:35:44 <nribeka> so, you're planning to submit something from the web interface pv78?
05:36:24 <nribeka> you need to define the command object, tie the command object with the form in jsp, and then catch the command object in the onsubmit method
05:36:25 <pv78> i was getting problem
05:36:27 <OpenMRSBot> <> (at
05:37:03 <Mkop2> should I change my nick to Mkop? get rid of the 2?
05:37:20 <nribeka> what with the two anyway?
05:37:22 <nribeka> :D
05:37:30 <Mkop2> the reason I had the 2 is because Mkop is already registered by someone else
05:37:35 <Mkop2> but I can unregister it
05:38:06 <Mkop2> I think I'm gonna do that
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05:38:30 <diegoalvarez> anybody from argentina here?
05:38:50 <nribeka> pv78, everything looks fine
05:38:59 <nribeka> and bwolfe is handling you there :)
05:39:08 <pv78> i am trying to understand what have u said
05:39:31 <nribeka> diegoalvarez, not that i can remember
05:40:40 <pv78> nribeka will u plz do this for me [you need to define the command object, tie the command object with the form in jsp, and then catch the command object in the onsubmit method]
05:44:56 <nribeka> lemme check the helloworld module pv78
05:45:08 <nribeka> you can try the tickets if you want to pv78
05:45:19 <nribeka> try to find tickets marked as trivial or intro
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05:55:33 <nribeka> the module is not working pv78
05:59:06 <pv78> i replace successView value with redirect:addResponse.fom in moduleApplicationContext to avoid 404 error
06:02:04 <pv78> nirbeka: plz view on line 30 if i remove "" from last it gives nullpointerexception
06:02:28 <pv78> nribeka plz view on line 30 if i remove "" from last it gives nullpointerexception
06:04:28 <nribeka> change it to: /module/@MODULE_ID@/addResponseForm
06:04:32 <nribeka> also make it works
06:04:39 <nribeka> not sure which one is the correct way
06:05:28 <nribeka> what are you trying to achieve pv78?
06:05:56 <pv78> i just wana savemy string to my custome table
06:07:44 <pv78> nribeka: the final thing i want to creat is that i creat my own JSP page and submit the field to db. JSP page i used is only to make it pretty... like a webpage
06:08:45 <pv78> nribeka is it possible that i email u my module and then u guide me..?
06:09:36 <nribeka> hold on pv78
06:09:39 <nribeka> lemme test it first
06:10:18 <nribeka> but i think you need to override the onSubmit method in the SimpleFormController and then call the service to saveOrUpdate HelloWorldResponse object
06:10:56 <nribeka> you do the call to save to db in the onSubmit method
06:14:06 <nribeka> pv78, roughly it's going to be something like this in the method call
06:14:07 <nribeka>
06:16:22 <pv78> ok thanx got that
06:18:04 <nribeka> cool
06:18:17 <nribeka> from there you can make any modification you like pv78 :)
06:18:58 <pv78> yeh i m in that...
06:22:15 <nribeka> cool cool
06:22:16 <nribeka> :D
06:22:25 <nribeka> i'm off pv78
06:22:38 <nribeka> if you still have question, post it on the dev list :D
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06:26:49 <ajitlodhi> hey.. u may download Servelt and JSP book,it had helped me developing college web application project
06:27:15 <ajitlodhi> it's for nribeka
06:34:30 <ajitlodhi> :)
06:38:45 <pv78> nribeka: thanx being ther.... helloworld is working now... ok TC ... cu later
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06:51:45 <Mkop> ok, good night all
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11:27:00 <nimanthab> hello
11:27:42 <nimanthab> i tried to reproduce the error in ticket number 1337 on my local OpenMRS system
11:28:04 <nimanthab> but I can't see a similar screen that is given in the attachment of the ticket
11:28:17 <nimanthab> im using the OpenMRS version in the trunk
11:28:29 <nimanthab> has this issue already being fixed in the trunk?
11:32:54 <upul> nimanthab: do you mean you can see the age correctly?
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11:41:48 <upul> nimanthab: have you tried changing the local machine's date format to UK?
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12:37:46 <nimanthab> upul: no that's not what I meant
12:38:06 <nimanthab> in my system I do not get a screen as in the attached image
12:38:29 <nimanthab> when creating a patient it asks me to enter either the birth of date or the age
12:38:38 <nimanthab> the age is not automatically calculated
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13:10:16 <bwolfe> nribeka: try this mapping:
13:10:21 <OpenMRSBot> <> (at
13:10:55 <upul> nimanthab: screen shot page comes up in the second page after where you enter a date or age
13:10:57 <bwolfe> nribeka: and instead of copying all the xml try out that <!ENTITY allproperties SYSTEM "allproperties.xml"> thing that they mention (I've never seen that before though)
13:12:29 <nribeka> ok bwolfe
13:17:43 <nimanthab> upul: ok got the page
13:17:52 <nimanthab> upul: i will look into it
13:18:26 <vindyani> bwolfe, i attach new patch for ticket #1052
13:18:41 <vindyani> i made change in GlobalPropertyTag
13:18:53 <vindyani> as fn:split also returns a list of one element [""] for ""global property
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13:43:44 <vindyani> hi jmiranda
13:43:50 <vindyani> i attach new patch for ticket #1052
13:44:06 <vindyani> i changed in GlobalPropertyTag
13:44:14 <vindyani> as fn:split also returns a list of one element [""] for ""global property
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13:51:02 <jmiranda> vindyani, thanks
13:51:08 <jmiranda> vindyani, does it work?
13:51:15 <vindyani> yes, of course
13:51:18 <jmiranda> ok cool
13:51:50 <jmiranda> we'll set it to be reviewed during one of our code reviews
13:52:01 <vindyani> ok thanks
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14:05:50 <upul> Hi Ben
14:06:35 <upul> Hi jmiranda
14:06:57 <jmiranda> hey upul
14:07:11 <jmiranda> try "hey bwolfe"
14:07:41 <upul> jmiranda: ;-) i think he has registered word ben too
14:07:42 <jmiranda> !trac #1052
14:07:42 <OpenMRSBot> jmiranda: Error: "trac" is not a valid command.
14:07:57 <jmiranda> !ticket
14:07:57 <OpenMRSBot> jmiranda: (ticket <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "reply Ticket #$1:$1".
14:08:05 <jmiranda> !ticket 1052
14:08:05 <OpenMRSBot> jmiranda: Ticket #1052:
14:08:05 <upul> jmiranda: have you that error in the impl list
14:08:45 <jmiranda> upul, just getting through my email this morning
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14:08:52 <jmiranda> what was the subject
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14:09:21 <jmiranda> vindyani, 1052 has been marked as "Needs Review"
14:09:27 <upul> jmiranda: sheduler error
14:09:55 <upul> jmiranda: using a compatible formentry module should solve it, isn't it?
14:10:11 <vindyani_> jmiranda, ok thanks
14:11:20 <jmiranda> upul, will take a look
14:11:28 <upul> jmiranda: ok
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14:19:19 <bwolfe> upul / jmiranda : yep, "ben" is is "wolf", because some people don't know the correct spelling of wolfe. :-)
14:19:41 <upul> bwolfe: is e silent?
14:20:59 <bwolfe> yeah
14:22:02 <upul> bwolfe: i have pronounced it wrong all this time, hope you never heard me saying it :-)
14:25:32 <bwolfe> :-(
14:25:45 <jmiranda> upul, as in "wolfy"
14:25:57 <jmiranda> i can't wait to start using that
14:26:30 <jmiranda> makes ben sound so much more cuddly than he already is
14:26:52 <upul> :D nope like wolfer
14:32:30 <bwolfe> upul: wolfer? Where'd the "r" come in ?
14:32:46 <bwolfe> jmiranda: my older sister's nickname in high school was "wolfy"
14:33:13 <upul> bwolfe: i mean wolf + e as in the last syllable of mother
14:34:00 <bwolfe> upul: so like wolfa ?
14:34:24 <upul> bwolfe: yes but a is weak, schwa sound in dictionary
14:35:40 <jmiranda> breaking out the schwa ... wow
14:37:09 <bwolfe> so more of a wolfaaaa
14:37:17 <bwolfe> or wolfuhhh
14:40:55 <bwolfe> upul: is your first "u" an "uhhh" sound or a "you" sound ?
14:44:25 <upul> bwolfe: you pronounced it exactly right, few times I heard you, u + pull where first u is like removing p out of pull
14:45:31 <bwolfe> ooopull
14:46:29 <upul> bwolfe: yes, it means blue water lily, country's national flower
14:47:44 <bwolfe> interesting
14:47:56 * bwolfe wonders what the USA's national flower is
14:48:45 <upul> it rose
14:48:58 <upul> its rose
14:49:10 <ajitlodhi> lily
14:49:46 <bwolfe> I was thinking it should be a "ben"
14:50:20 <upul> bwolfe: you can find a new variety of orchid or something and name it after ben :-)
14:52:02 <upul> ajitlodhi: also there is a god named upulwan in the southern part of the country people believe is protecting the country
14:52:11 <r0bby> :-)
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15:26:16 <ajitlodhi> k
15:26:23 <ajitlodhi> :)
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15:42:54 <nshekhar> lol every1
15:43:59 <Mkop2> nshekhar: what are you laughing at?
15:44:31 <nshekhar> nothin much...just in gud mood :)
15:44:54 <Mkop2> that's good
15:45:19 <nshekhar> jmirinda, WYSIWYG form editor needs client side validation or not. ???
15:45:20 <Mkop2> I occasionally get into these moods where I'm just laughing at nothing in particular
15:45:29 <nshekhar> can u pllllllllzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz tell :(
15:45:57 <nshekhar> Mkop2, lol to u :)
15:46:01 <Mkop2> nshekhar: what do you mean by client side validation? you mean checking that the widgets are right, or that they point to rthe right concepts
15:46:02 <Mkop2> ?
15:46:29 <nshekhar> i mean that to check any condition while filling the form
15:46:51 <nshekhar> like name must not be empty..etc
15:47:00 <Mkop2> oh
15:47:24 <nshekhar> does it ???
15:47:28 <Mkop2> that doesn't seem to be specific to the wysiwyg editor in particular, but to the form module
15:47:46 <Mkop2> check with justin to be sure, but it seems like they're talking about different stages
15:47:56 <Mkop2> the HTML form entry module already exists
15:48:22 <nshekhar> ya.. so it means there is no need foe that !!!
15:48:26 <Mkop2> that already has its functionality, which might or might not include validation of some sort
15:48:34 <nshekhar> okie
15:48:40 <Mkop2> that's used to gather client data
15:49:02 <Mkop2> the wysiwyg editor is a module to create such forms, which will later be used by the html form entry module to gather the data
15:49:20 <nshekhar> humm...okie
15:50:25 <Mkop2> jmiranda or bwolfe: Am I correct here?
15:50:44 <nshekhar> the editor will create a html page or not.. or ll it just create the code dat needs to be put in forms
15:52:03 <nshekhar> isnt jmirina or bwolf there ??
15:52:12 <jmiranda> nshekhar, sorry for not responding ... you misspelled jmiranda (use tab complete) :)
15:52:23 <nshekhar> :)
15:52:31 <nshekhar> jmiranda:
15:52:35 <jmiranda> better
15:52:40 <jmiranda> reading through the backlog now
15:52:59 <Mkop2> !tabcomplete
15:52:59 <OpenMRSBot> Mkop2: "tabcomplete" --- Most IRC clients let you easily write someone's nickname in the channel using tab completion. Just type the first few letters, then <tab>, and voila!
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16:01:19 <jmiranda> nshekhar, talk to the WYSIWYG mentor about client side validation
16:01:25 <jmiranda> i assume ... yes
16:01:39 <jmiranda> but i think that will be an "extra" feature we might have to add in later
16:01:53 <jmiranda> Darius (the mentor) is getting back to boston (the office) later this afternoon
16:02:33 <nshekhar> The output of the Editer will be automatically saved as web page..or its source has to copied after then ??
16:02:39 <jmiranda> nshekhar, Mkop2 is right
16:02:49 <Mkop2> does darius generally hang out in IRC, when he's in the office?
16:02:50 <jmiranda> the validation should be apart of the form "model"
16:02:56 <jmiranda> i don't think it is right now
16:03:07 <jmiranda> well, in some respects it is
16:03:11 <jmiranda> i.e. required fields etc
16:03:16 <nshekhar> thanx
16:03:20 <nshekhar> ;
16:03:29 <nshekhar> ;)
16:03:46 <jmiranda> but really complex condition is currently stored in the Infopath XSN itself
16:04:01 <jmiranda> (stuff like, hide field X if field Y value = no)
16:04:11 <jmiranda> i don't think you should worry about that right now
16:04:29 <jmiranda> just concentrate on the job of creating widgets and moving them around
16:04:59 <jmiranda> nshekhar, re: output of the editor
16:05:03 <jmiranda> i'm not entirely sure
16:05:11 <jmiranda> another question for the mentor
16:05:16 <jmiranda> i need to run out for a minute
16:05:19 <jmiranda> be back later
16:05:30 <nshekhar> i had mailed darius.. but he seems to be busy..
16:05:54 <nshekhar> ill ping him once more ..but thanks.. :)
16:06:32 <Mkop2> nshekhar: be patient. I think jmiranda said he's traveling
16:07:42 <nshekhar> ya..
16:07:43 <nshekhar> ;0
16:07:44 <nshekhar> :)
16:08:05 <nshekhar> i dint miss dat.. I had mailed some 2 days back
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16:19:24 <jmiranda> nshekhar, yeah he's been extremely busy
16:20:07 <jmiranda> nshekhar, if you want, you can ask your question(s) on the developers list
16:20:21 <jmiranda> that way you can be assured to receive some kind of feedback more immediately
16:22:15 <jmiranda> nshekhar, the actual details of each project are going to be worked out between the mentor and student once students have been chosen
16:22:22 <nshekhar> ok..
16:22:40 <jmiranda> so, your proposal can contain your thoughts on what to include
16:22:46 <jmiranda> (i think that's a good approach)
16:23:12 <nshekhar> ..I dint know.. sorry for the trouble
16:23:17 <jmiranda> but i wouldn't count on the project spec to be set in stone any time in the next few weeks
16:23:32 <nshekhar> i would put it in my application itself
16:23:52 <jmiranda> nshekhar, no no ... didn't mean to suggest that you were starting "trouble"
16:23:58 <jmiranda> you're actually bringing up good points
16:24:30 <jmiranda> i don't think we've made that point explicit (that our project specs are still in flux)
16:26:31 <nshekhar> It wud be odd if we need to copy paste src to use the form generated by the the EDIOTR. dats y i asked,,,Ill put these points in my application and on dev list
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16:27:40 <docpaul> hello. :)
16:28:10 <upul> Hi docpaul
16:28:19 <docpaul> hi upul, how are you?
16:28:30 <upul> docpaul: going well
16:28:36 <jmiranda> nshekhar, that would only happen if we got to the end of the project and you hadn't finished the "saving form to database" use case
16:28:56 <jmiranda> nshekhar, but you are correct, that would probably be a high priority use case
16:29:10 <docpaul> upul: do you know of someone named roshan hewapathirana?
16:29:58 <upul> docpaul: nope
16:30:49 <Mkop2> ooh, docpaul is here!
16:31:11 <docpaul> upul: he is a sri lankan who wants to hold an openmrs conference there
16:31:13 <Mkop2> I was looking last night at your papers in pubmed
16:31:24 <Mkop2> CHICA looks *really* cool
16:31:29 <docpaul> Mkop2: hehe... don't barf
16:31:36 <docpaul> yep, that's what i did as a fellow
16:31:44 <docpaul> all of that technology is now in openmrs
16:31:47 <docpaul> which is cool
16:32:01 <Mkop2> I saw the arden package in there, but didn't realize it did anything
16:32:20 <docpaul> yeah, that's the first use of it... it's a parser that converts arden to java source
16:32:26 <docpaul> that's compatible with the logic service
16:32:45 <ajitlodhi> Any one plz help me getting a good hand in AJAX.
16:32:50 <docpaul> Mkop2: so are you going to apply to gsoc?
16:33:01 <Mkop2> so the whole logic package is based on arden/chica kind of stuff?
16:33:11 <docpaul> ajitlodhi: I am the paul you're writing over email. :)
16:33:17 <ajitlodhi> bwlofe help.........:)
16:33:26 <docpaul> Mkop2: no, more generic than that... but it's being used by CHICA
16:33:34 <docpaul> logic is the decision support framework
16:33:40 <docpaul> which we hope will go way beyond chica
16:33:51 <Mkop2> docpaul: I guess so. I'm feeling kinda intimidated by the competition, but am pretty sure I'm gonna apply.
16:33:54 <docpaul> Mkop2: interested in such things?
16:34:10 <docpaul> because we were going to put up a project description today around the logic service
16:34:27 <Mkop2> docpaul: I hadn't really heard of it until last night, but your chica paper was really interesting
16:34:31 <Mkop2> the pediatric one
16:34:37 <jmiranda> ajitlodhi, what would you like to know about AJAX?
16:34:39 <docpaul> thx...
16:34:51 <Mkop2> docpaul: is there any research going on in that area now?
16:34:57 <docpaul> it's done very well here, and is used in production clinical environments
16:35:00 <docpaul> a ton
16:35:08 <ajitlodhi> beacz iam interesred in Longitudinal Data review project
16:35:13 <Mkop2> i.e. stuff that might be looking for undergrad help? :wink:
16:35:14 <docpaul> decision support is from my perspective, one of our top strategic priorities
16:35:26 <ajitlodhi> jmiranda
16:35:29 <ajitlodhi> thr..
16:35:38 <docpaul> heya justin. :)
16:35:42 <Mkop2> our top priorities -> you mean openmrs's top priorities, or medical informatics in general?
16:36:09 <jmiranda> hey docpaul
16:36:28 <docpaul> openmrs' top priorities, well.. both really
16:37:28 <jmiranda> ajitlodhi, what would you like to know specifically?
16:38:26 <jmiranda> ajitlodhi, i think docpaul is the mentor on the Longitudinal Data project so let us know if you have general questions about the project
16:38:35 <nribeka> bwolfe, i think i got the point of using implicit polymorph :D
16:38:58 <Mkop2> if you know of anyone in that area that wants an undergrad working for them in the summer, I might be interested in doing something a bit more medically oriented than openmrs, which, at the level i'm at least, is mostly just software development and the medical application is almost incidental
16:39:01 <Mkop2> if you know what I mean
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16:39:04 <nribeka> it's different case between concept / concept numeric and user / patient / person problems :D
16:39:07 <docpaul> hi ajitlodhi : it's going to be hard to teach ajax over an irc conversation. :)
16:39:24 <nribeka> i will look in to it and hope it will works
16:39:29 <nribeka> hi docpaul :D
16:39:35 <docpaul> mk: one must crawl before they walk
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16:40:25 <docpaul> i'd strongly suggest you do a development project to understand the details of medical record systems, and get to know the team... my guess is that if you show your hunger and some success, that you will have all of the research opportunities you could hope for
16:40:39 <docpaul> that i will promise... :)
16:41:01 <Mkop2> true. But there might be areas of research where much more of the mental energy is medically focused.
16:41:31 <Mkop2> (that was a late response to your crawl before walk comment)
16:41:33 <bwolfe> nribeka: it should be the same between concept/conceptnumeric/conceptcomplex and person/patient/user. why are they different ?
16:41:38 <docpaul> this is a lot more medically germane than you might think... in particular, the one that jumps out at me for you is active lists
16:41:57 <Mkop2> when you saw get to know the team, you mean to get my foot in the door at PIH and regenstrief, essentially?
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16:42:28 <docpaul> basically, yes. i think if you worked with burke on his project, it'd be a great way to get a starter course in medical informatics
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16:42:41 <docpaul> i of course will be along for the ride as well
16:42:42 <nribeka> the same thing bwolfe? so concept can become concept numeric and concept complex at the same time?
16:43:04 <docpaul> you'll get out of the experience what you put into it. :)
16:43:18 <Mkop2> well, that's a truism if ever there was one :-)
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16:43:50 <bwolfe> nribeka: ah! you're right, it is a little different :-)
16:43:52 <docpaul> well, burke and i are doctors who develop... so we can give you the context you're looking for
16:44:02 <bwolfe> nribeka: I forgot about that difference
16:45:09 <nribeka> ok ok bwolfe. so, i hope it will works with changes in the mapping style :D
16:45:13 <nribeka> (i hope so)
16:45:14 <docpaul> i'll say this to you, if you can get to a place to where you understand why openmrs was constructed as it was, and really understand the nuances of it, you'll have learned a lot about medicine
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16:45:21 <Mkop2> is burke at regenstrief? or IUIUI (I'm getting that abbreviation wrong)? or both?
16:45:31 <docpaul> yep, his office is right next door to mine
16:45:36 <nribeka> haha Mkop2 IUPUI
16:45:39 <docpaul> he's my son's godfather
16:45:45 <Mkop2> cool
16:45:46 <bwolfe> Mkop2: its actualy IUIUUIUIUIUPUIUIUIUIUIUI
16:45:50 <docpaul> he's the other cofounder of the project
16:45:50 <Mkop2> he's also a joint appointment?
16:45:55 <docpaul> yes
16:46:24 <nribeka> bwolfe, i'm off. online again from school
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16:47:08 <Mkop2> bwolfe: 'UI'{1,}P'IU'{1,}
16:47:29 <Mkop2> bwolfe: I meant 'IU'{1,}P'UI'{1,}
16:48:19 <Mkop2> the other area (drastically different from this) that I'm thinking of going into is biological modeling
16:48:52 <Mkop2> though that's probably only done academically or such, rather than in industry
16:49:04 <Mkop2> and I think i want to work in industry rather than academia
16:57:24 <Mkop2> docpaul: yes, that project looks AWESOME!
16:57:37 <docpaul> so there you go. :)
16:58:19 <docpaul> on a scale of 1 to 10, how would you rate your java development abilities?
17:00:17 <Mkop2> it's very hard to give a number
17:00:23 <docpaul> oh come on. :)
17:00:29 <Mkop2> like when people ask me, "Are you good at the saxophone?"
17:00:36 <Mkop2> or "how good are you?"
17:00:46 <docpaul> cop out
17:00:49 <Mkop2> lol
17:01:03 <docpaul> do you watch american idol?
17:01:07 <Mkop2> no
17:01:36 <docpaul> given that everyone can improve in their coding ability, would you say you are skilled, or still learning?
17:01:36 <Mkop2> I could always answer them with something like "Stand back, I'm frieking awesome!"
17:02:01 <Mkop2> I'm moderately skilled
17:02:05 <Mkop2> I'm no bwolfe
17:02:19 <upul> Mkop2 is a fast learner
17:02:26 <docpaul> then you are a good candidate for burke's project
17:02:47 <Mkop2> but I can mostly follow the discussion on the dev list, barring the openmrs-specific details
17:02:57 <docpaul> i'm biased of course, but you'd be smart if you applied for active lists
17:03:03 <docpaul> trust me on this one
17:03:14 <Mkop2> that's true, I am a fast learner, and I also have a good conceptual understanding of things
17:03:43 <docpaul> but you have to be willing to put the time in
17:03:48 <Mkop2> docpaul: I'm definitely applying for that one. The question is, am I infatuated enough with that one to not apply for any others
17:04:11 <Mkop2> docpaul: based on how many hours I've spent on openmrs since we last talked a week ago, I'm not worried about that
17:04:25 <Mkop2> I am, on the other hand, worried about my grades in school :-)
17:04:26 <docpaul> feel free to apply to others if you like.. but i think that one gives someone the opportunity for some design
17:04:41 <Mkop2> the reason I might apply to others is:
17:04:43 <Mkop2> !bwolfesays
17:04:43 <OpenMRSBot> Mkop2: "bwolfesays" --- FYI to all potential GSoC Applicants: OpenMRS welcomes multiple applications for multiple projects within openmrs. Actually, we encourage it! Sometimes we get quality students only applying to a low priority project. So pick a few projects that interest you, apply to all of them, and put comments in them saying which other ones you've applied to
17:06:02 <bwolfe> that comment has gotten a lot of mileage. :-)
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17:06:14 <Mkop2> I also like the fact that that project is on the codebase, rather than a module
17:06:53 <Mkop2> ben: yes, it has
17:07:41 <docpaul> welp, of course, there will be a lot of really good candidate that will apply, but show your interest and enthusiasm, start commuincating directly with the mentor, and increase your odds for success
17:07:46 <docpaul> i gotta run.
17:10:23 <Mkop2> see ya later, docpaul
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17:13:21 <Mkop2> does burke ever hang out on IRC?
17:15:36 <Mkop2> !seen burke
17:15:36 <OpenMRSBot> Mkop2: burke was last seen in #openmrs 36 weeks, 0 days, 6 hours, and 10 seconds ago: <burke> gotta run
17:15:42 <Mkop2> hmm, I guess not
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17:17:12 <bwolfe> he's been running for a while Mkop2
17:17:30 <Mkop2> guess so
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17:41:50 <Mkop2> bwolfe: do you know what OpenmrsWriteState is, or got renamed to be?
17:43:05 <bwolfe> its in the org.openmrs.xml package I think
17:43:31 <Mkop2> it's referenced to in a comment there, but there's no such file (at least in trunk)
17:45:09 <Mkop2> (joseph mamlin == burke)?
17:45:21 <bwolfe> burke's dad
17:47:23 <Mkop2> oh
17:47:41 <Mkop2> ben: you also work at regenstrief, right?
17:47:49 <Mkop2> are you at IUPUI as well?
17:49:09 <bwolfe> Regenstrief is near IUPUI's campus and is closely affiliated, but I am paid by RG, not IUPUI.
17:49:24 <bwolfe> all doctors (like Burke/Paul) that work at RG are paid by IUPUI because of how the grant funding works
17:49:33 <Mkop2> oh
17:49:44 <Mkop2> do you have medical background, or just technical?
17:49:50 <Mkop2> "just" technical
17:50:20 <bwolfe> the extent of my medical background is a pre-med "minor" in undergrad
17:50:41 <Mkop2> hehe
17:50:44 <Mkop2> what was your major?
17:50:47 <Mkop2> CS?
17:51:13 <bwolfe> yeah
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18:00:31 <Mkop2> bwolfe: has almost comments, and I can't really figure out how to comment it from scratch. how can I mark it so that someone does that?
18:01:38 <bwolfe> TODO Auto generated method comment. :-)
18:02:48 <Mkop2> for some reason, they don't even have that
18:03:50 <Mkop2> but I'll put something to that effect
18:04:06 <bwolfe> alt-shift-j creates the comment for you
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18:26:57 <Mkop2> bwolfe: I'm on the final stretch for this commenting thing
18:27:23 <Mkop2> there'll still be probably around 80 errors when I'm done, but the vast majority of those are in just a few files
18:27:26 <bwolfe> looks like only 130 or so after the last
18:28:40 <Mkop2> I can't submit the patch (or even finalize my changes) until i restart my computer because I upgraded tortoisesvn and I can't do a svn update to figure out what changes you made
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18:44:52 <Mkop2> seems the final count is 77
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18:45:12 <Mkop2> now to restart the computer so I can generate the patch
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19:54:12 <Mkop2> hmm, I upgraded tortoisesvn and now it's not working
19:57:25 <Mkop2> I can't even browse to it in the repo browser
19:57:32 <Mkop2> tells me: OPTIONS of '': 200 OK (
19:58:01 <Mkop2> bwolfe or Keelhaul: any ideas? is it working for you guys?
19:59:21 <bwolfe> looks like I can browse it via subclipse right now
19:59:27 <bwolfe> did you upgrade too far ?
19:59:37 <bwolfe> is your tortoise too new ?
20:00:14 <Mkop2> I downloaded the latest stable
20:00:14 <Keelhaul> yea, subclipse works
20:00:30 <Mkop2> maybe now will be the time to try to get subclipse working :-)
20:00:33 <Keelhaul> Mkop2: what IDE do you use
20:00:38 <Mkop2> eclipse
20:00:43 <Keelhaul> why tortoise then
20:00:50 <Mkop2> subclipse gave errors before
20:04:30 <Mkop2> subclipse says: org.tigris.subversion.javahl.ClientException: Unsupported working copy format
20:04:30 <Mkop2> svn: This client is too old to work with working copy 'D:\Coding Projects\OpenMRS'. You need to get a newer Subversion client, or to downgrade this working copy. See for details.
20:04:32 <OpenMRSBot> <> (at
20:05:20 <bwolfe> which subclipse did you get ?
20:05:31 <Mkop2> whatever came when I downloaded Eclipse JEE
20:05:50 <bwolfe> eclipse ships with it now ?
20:06:20 <Mkop2> only if you get JEE
20:06:23 <bwolfe> look in help-->software updates at the url for subclipse
20:06:34 <Mkop2> subclipse version 1.4.8
20:06:48 <Mkop2> subversion client adapter version 1.5.3
20:08:21 <Mkop2> subversion native library adapter 1.5.6
20:09:00 <Keelhaul> eclupse jee is nice
20:09:07 <Keelhaul> it has subclipse, ant, eclemma
20:14:45 <Mkop2> I hope I don't regret this
20:15:26 <Mkop2> I took a backup of the source code, but let's hope nothing gets messed up
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20:19:39 <Keelhaul> that interface discussion in the mailing list is interesting
20:22:00 <Mkop2> yes
20:22:25 <Mkop2> I'm not following it entirely, but it's interesting to see how devs think
20:27:28 <Mkop2> I think I'm just gonna check out the repo new
20:30:21 <Mkop2> that won't work either
20:30:21 <Mkop2> RA layer request failed
20:30:21 <Mkop2> svn: PROPFIND of '/openmrs/trunk': 200 OK (
20:38:46 <bwolfe> Mkop2: I have no idea why thats failing
20:38:52 <bwolfe> Mkop2: what OS are you on ?
20:38:55 <Mkop2> windows
20:39:07 <bwolfe> oh, see, thats your problem
20:39:13 <bwolfe> upgrade to ubuntu ;-)
20:39:48 <Keelhaul> ...
20:40:16 <Mkop2> I wonder what OS I'll have on my next computer....
20:40:31 <Mkop2> but that's a while off still
20:40:41 <Mkop2> when my dad bought me this computer he bought a 5 year warranty as well
20:40:54 <Mkop2> which kinda keeps me on this one until the 5 years are up
20:41:01 <Keelhaul> =o
20:42:06 <Mkop2> I think I'm gonna redownload eclipse, normal version, and add in the packages that I need
20:42:17 <Mkop2> I'm running short of HD space in any case
20:42:23 <bwolfe> heh, brute force attach, I like it
20:42:33 <bwolfe> *attack
20:42:42 <Keelhaul> cant you sell it with the warranty?
20:42:46 <Mkop2> lol
20:42:56 <bwolfe> I'm out for the night.
20:42:59 <Mkop2> maybe I could, but no reason to
20:43:03 <Keelhaul> bye
20:43:05 <Mkop2> bwolfe: night? it's 5 pm....
20:43:08 <Keelhaul> lol
20:43:18 <Mkop2> I guess some people go home from work at such hours
20:43:21 <Keelhaul> Mkop2: or at least upgrade the hdd
20:43:34 <Mkop2> that I could do
20:43:38 <bwolfe> heading home then off to Univ Miami to hang out with my brother in law
20:43:40 <Mkop2> good night, ben
20:43:51 <Keelhaul> miami =D
20:43:55 <Keelhaul> can i come?
20:44:00 <bwolfe> wife/cousins/etc
20:44:00 <Mkop2> bwolfe: how are you getting down there?
20:44:06 * Keelhaul is playing: Will Smith - Miami (1999) (.977 The 90s Channel)
20:44:10 <Keelhaul> even the radio agrees
20:44:12 <bwolfe> you're thinking Miami Univ
20:44:13 <Keelhaul> this must be a sign
20:44:16 <bwolfe> this is Univ of Miami
20:44:20 <bwolfe> its in Oxford Ohio
20:44:25 <Keelhaul> oh =/
20:44:27 <bwolfe> its about a 1.5 hour drive. :-p
20:44:28 <Keelhaul> what a scam
20:44:28 <Mkop2> that's disgusting
20:44:31 <bwolfe> not quite as warm
20:45:25 <Mkop2> not quite as freaking boiling hot in the summer
20:45:29 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [7190]: Cleaned up some unit tests and added @shoulds/@verifies annotations <>
20:45:29 <Mkop2> think of it that way
20:45:38 <bwolfe> it does bring much confusion
20:45:39 <bwolfe> but oh well
20:45:42 <bwolfe> its an old name
20:45:54 <bwolfe> see you guys
20:45:57 <Keelhaul> hf
20:59:26 <Mkop2> darn!
20:59:29 <Mkop2> still won't work
21:00:30 <Keelhaul> =/
21:00:37 <Keelhaul> subclipse?
21:02:21 <Mkop2> correct
21:02:29 <Mkop2> clean install
21:02:32 <Mkop2> same error as before
21:02:52 <Keelhaul> i tihnk i had that error before
21:02:57 <Keelhaul> it.. resolved itself magically
21:04:26 <nribeka> what happen Mkop2? :D
21:04:34 <nribeka> back from meeting
21:04:49 <Mkop2> svn stopped working for me
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21:06:17 <nribeka> bwolfe is right. use ubuntu lol
21:06:23 <nribeka> how about subclipse?
21:10:17 <Mkop2> I'm trying to get subclipse to work
21:16:07 <nribeka> i love geek hero :D
21:16:13 <nribeka> so is it working Mkop2?
21:16:20 <Mkop2> nope
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21:38:06 <Mkop2> yay! problem solved
21:38:14 <Mkop2> thanks to markphip and Bert over at #subclipse
21:38:21 <Mkop2> it's a strangeness with my internet connection
21:38:27 <Mkop2> I need to use https instead of http
21:41:15 <Keelhaul> =o
21:42:21 <Mkop2> now let's see if my grep and sed tools are good enough to be able to get tortoisesvn to do an update rather than having to check out again from new
21:42:40 <Mkop2> oh, wait
21:42:52 <Mkop2> I can't even get to my d: drive from linux
21:47:28 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [7191]: mdrtb module. added optional table inversion to the new drug regimen … <>
22:03:44 <Mkop2> my ant window disappeared
22:03:46 <Mkop2> and I can't find
22:03:47 <Mkop2> it
22:04:51 <Mkop2> ok, I found it
22:04:58 <Mkop2> but openmrs-trunk isn't showing up in there
22:05:14 <Mkop2> ok, I put it back in there
22:05:19 <Mkop2> I'm solving a lot of my own problems today
22:07:20 <Keelhaul> =)
22:30:55 <Mkop2> my sed skills are not doing the trick
22:51:34 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [7192]: formdataexport: Minor fix to get module to work correctly running in a … <>
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